neowiccan ([info]neowiccan) wrote,
@ 2009-06-04 22:40:00
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Current mood: contemplative

international pagan values blogging month
not a bandwagon i'm gonna be jumping on.
i'm a pagan and i have values, but the values themselves are not intrinsically pagan. they're human values.
i hate it when christians start yawping about how our country was formed on 'christian values' and when asked what they are talk about values that are mine as much as theirs.
it seems hypocrital to me to try and claim the values important to me.....honesty, piety, arete, family and community for example.......as 'pagan.' i know too many non-pagans who share them wholeheartedly.
khairete
suz


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[info]labrys6
2009-06-05 04:31 pm UTC (link)
I am of two minds about this. (Ok, fine, I am of two minds about a lot of stuff!) Yes, my values are not necessarily pagan. But when you think about it, neither are the Christian ones---they simply affixed that adjectival jive because there is a story in the Bible to exemplify some of them.

And then....some of my values ARE pagan ---arete, for instance, is very Greek and very pagan. I would not have thought of this myself (sometimes I AM a shallow blonde), but over 20 years ago, answering a question on what I ran my life upon, from my fav philosophy prof, while in the bare beginning of public transition from Catholic to pagan, he suddenly expostulated "But, Cynthia, that is purely PAGAN!" And things suddenly crystalized in my head like a Tetris game on steroids.

So, I don't know. I might have to consider this as a valid shoot back. Or a valid TAKE BACK. It reminds me of an odd conversation I had about ten years ago, on the phone with my Republican Congressional Rep; as we talked about several issues, he suddenly said "But you said you were a Democrat?" "I AM" I replied. "But those are Conservative values you are quoting." I corrected him, "Those are VALUES, and nobody has the patent on either side of the party line."

Same thing here. I think the point of blogging about it as pagan values is to tear down the notion that they are owned by Christians only.

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[info]neowiccan
2009-06-05 05:35 pm UTC (link)
But when you think about it, neither are the Christian ones---<<<

yes. hence my statements 'the values themselves are not intrinsically pagan. they're human values' and 'when asked what they are talk about values that are mine as much as theirs'.

'And then....some of my values ARE pagan ---arete, for instance, is very Greek and very pagan.'

arete is a greek word. no spoken word, no ethnic group, and no religion has exclusive rights on the value of arete.

'I think the point of blogging about it as pagan values is to tear down the notion that they are owned by Christians only.'

probably so.
the reason i'm not doing it and don't think it's a good idea is because trying to tear them away from christianity and applying the label 'pagan' to them is just as facetious as what the christians have tried to do.
khairete
suz


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[info]labrys6
2009-06-05 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Yes...values are values. Period. But then, that was the point of my blog on this topic: I was told it was 'blog on pagan values' week...or month, or something.



http://walkofthefallen.com/wordpress/2009/06/05/bottled-words/

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[info]labrys6
2009-06-05 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Whoops, sorry, didn't delete all the text when I copied and pasted. Damn, need more coffee.

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[info]neowiccan
2009-06-05 06:35 pm UTC (link)
http://walkofthefallen.com/wordpress/2009/06/05/bottled-words/

nice!
khairete
suz

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